Wednesday, October 04, 2006

Foley Follies

I've refrained from posting on the Congressman Mark Foley flap this long, because there are so many issues wrapped up in this story, it's hard to know which one upsets me the most.

For starters, Foley used his position as a Representative to get the contact information of congressional pages, and then he pursued a homosexual relationship with some of them, though there's no evidence a relationship ever developed. I find this behavior of his repugnant, first because he was going after underage boys rather than grown men, and second because he was using a position of authority as a way of getting access to these boys.

The first thing Foley did right (if you can call it that) was to not approach these pages until after they had completed the program. The next thing right was that he actually showed shame for what he had done, and he resigned.

And that's where things get murky. Democrats--yes, Democrats--are outraged. Now that Foley has resigned, removing himself as their target, the Democrats are calling for heads to roll (Foley's apparently wasn't enough), starting with Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert. Some conservatives are also calling for Hastert's head, but I haven't been able to figure out the guiding principle that should apply, so I'm undecided about him for now. I'm sure the MSM news cycle will dig up enough dirt to justify continuing to call for his head.

And that news cycle is the next thing that's upsetting. It's October Surprise time--with the Congressional elections just a month away--time to pull a zinger out of the hat to discredit the opposition, when they don't have enough time to recover before the public heads for the polls to vote. They'll keep hammering this as many ways as they can, declaring this as more proof of the Republicans' "Culture of Corruption" or "History of Hypocrisy" or whatever the new Democrat talking point is for this.

Malott's Blog has a post today addressing the timing of the Foley scandal. People have known about Foley for a long time. Democrats have known about Foley for a long time. The press has known about Foley for a long time. But the story stayed under wraps until now. Why? Why did they wait, if not to use the story to the best political advantage for the Democrats?

But I'm also outraged by the Democrats' outrage. Crying "foul" about homosexual behavior is the antithesis of all they believe in. I left a comment on Malott's post that illustrates the double standard:

If you look at the Democratic Party and what it stands for and the issues it promotes, there is no "scumbag" here.

Homosexuality is perfectly normal behavior, and the poor, ostracized Rep. Foley should be allowed to express himself the way he was born to do without all this hate-speech hounding him out of office.

The age of consent for homosexual behavior should long ago have been lowered to 16 or 17, so really there's no problem here. Foley didn't touch any pages during the program. He waited until after they had gone home, so no harm no foul. Let him keep his job. And celebrate his coming out, however reluctant it was.

Oh wait. That only works for Democrats. He's a Republican? Throw the scumbag out, and throw out the Republican House leadership with him, because they should have stopped him from using his position for such perverted, deviant, predatory actions against an underage child.

My head hurts from trying to make sense of this.

Foley is out of office, and that's good. Law enforcement agencies are investigating possible criminal charges, and that's good too. Why isn't that enough?

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ok, where to begin...

The reason that the Democrats are making this issue a campaign issue is because the Democratic party is a political party. It's what political parties do.

And secondly, what Mark Foley has done is wrong NOT because it was with other males. The laws against homosexuality were repealed years ago, and much of the social stigma attached to it is very much eroded, so this is not the issue. It was because he used a position of authority to procure underage sexual partners. The fact that he made little effort to keep his correspondences away from a professional setting makes it especially irksome.

That's it I think.

Oh, and may I say how refreshing it is to visit a conservative US blog and see the words "homosexual" and "normal" in the same sentence.

PS. I've made the switch from FKAB to my own name, just in case there's any confusion.

SkyePuppy said...

Jacob (FKAFKAB),

I'm hoping this is your last name switch, or my F, K, and A keys are going to wear out too fast. Good to see you back.

Yes, I realize the Democrats are being political. I simply wanted to point out the extreme inconsistency of their position on Foley. The Democrats and their supporters push the acceptance of homosexuality, including with underage boys, so it's ridiculous for them to flip out over this. Especially when in the past, some of their own members went as far as having sex with pages (or in the case of Bill Clinton, with his intern), and the Democrats declared it was nothing and actually applauded Congressman Studds for it. (Malott goes into this in better detail.)

Of course it's wrong for Foley to have used his position of authority to find sexual partners. That's my main objection to what he did. But the Democrats haven't got a skinny little leg to stand on on that moral point.

Anonymous said...

Jacob:

Just thought that you might like to ponder this: The American Psychiatric Association is on of the orginazations that started the normalization of (and repeal of the laws against) homosexuality here in the states. This same organization recently said that sex is sometimes okay between adults and children because the child may enjoy the sex. Maybe he is ahead of his time! Maybe he should change his party affiliation and run for president!

Or maybe he should go directly to jail and the liberals should quit changing their positions on these issues...

Blessings,
John

Anonymous said...

John

When I started to respond to you, I did the courteous thing and made sure that I researched your claims to test their basis in fact.

I've expended twenty minutes looking for articles in the American Psychiatric Association website and in news articles and I cannot find anything.

It is my assumption, therefore, that you are lying to me.

A man of such faith should know that lies make baby Jesus cry.

May God bless you,

and His fag children.

SkyePuppy said...

Jacob,

You may have better luck looking at the American Psychological Assn for some of John's info. Both are called APA. My copy of the DSM-IV says it's from the American Psychological Association, not the Psychiatric. Here's an article describing the pressure that led to the removal of homosexuality as a disorder.

Regarding the study that John referenced about the APA approving of sex between adults and children, that was published in 2002 in an APA publication, American Psychologist.
Here's a USA Today article about that study and the uproar surrounding it.

John is not a liar.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Skyepuppy. I appreciate sources.

Not sure if you're a personal friend of John, but if anyone ever left such an obscure comment without proper citations on my blog I would probably laugh and then ban their IP address.

Maybe it's my fascist streak coming out. Whatever.

Well, to John's comment there's not a great deal I can really say, other than 'what is your point?' The issue at hand is, if I'm not terribly mistaken, about Mark Foley. It's not about evil liberals, homosexuals or even pedophiles. A cursory search on Google showed me that under Washington law, the age of consent is 16. So, that's not really the issue.

The issue is about a public figure who crossed the lines of his profession and made a rather stupid mistake. No different to the whole Clinton thing.

So it's rather insulting, John, for you to pull a debate about adult-child sexual relations into it when the link is tenuous at best.

That you would lump all people of the liberal persuasion into one homogenous group, insinuating that all hold the same positions on the extent to which legislation should go when it comes to sexual relationships, speaks volumes about your capacity to hold and defend an intelligent point of view.

I've wasted too much time on you. I'm still not exactly sure what your point was in the first place.

Was it something about homosexuals being paedophiles?

(Sorry Skyepuppy for being such an ass. It's just that morons who make the link between homosexuality and paedophilia deserve all the crap I can dump on them. Normally I wouldn't bother when it comes to most other things.)

SkyePuppy said...

Jacob,

No, I don't know John.

Yes, you're a fascist if you demand all the sources all the time. Sometimes people are too short on time (speaking for myself and generalizing that to others) to be able both to look up the source and to leave a comment.

I especially didn't need sources from John's comments, because I got my Bachelors degree in Psychology in 2002 from a Christian University, and we talked about those issues--especially the shoddy research and conclusions from the article saying sexual molestation of children may be beneficial. (Don't get me started!)

As for what John's point was... Sometimes I think you see the word, "homosexual" used in an unflattering way, and your blood pressure goes up and impedes your ability to calmly find the point in the person's comment. Just my observation. That said...

It appears John took notice of this part of your first comment: "to procure underage sexual partners," rather than, "used a position of authority," and commented on that. Regardless, his point that the Democrats are inconsistent in their approval of Democrats who abuse their authority to get sexual favors, while going after Republicans who do the same is a valid one.

Oh, and please don't call people "morons" on my blog. It's not nice.

Thanks for the lively discussion. It's been a while.