Friday, August 11, 2006

On the UK Terror Plot and Related

La Shawn Barber's posted yesterday on President Bush's speech, thanking him for finally saying the words "Islamic fascists." She also addressed the UK terror plot, with plenty of links.

Plot suspects’ names released. Hmmm….what do they have in common?

How the thugs were caught. And yes, it involves spying and sneaking around other people’s stuff without their knowledge or consent. Call the ACLU!

One of her frequent commenters, Heliotrope, in comment #21, has some excellent things to say in response to comment #19 from GawainsGhost, who said, "I believe it is a mistake to label terrorists as Islamofascists or Islamic Fascists."

Here's much of what Heliotrope said:

Fascism: Any program for setting up a centralized autocratic national regime with severely nationalistic policies, exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition. (Webster’s)

Theocracy: Government of a state by the immediate direction of God; thearchy; hence, government by priests, or ministers as representatives of God. (Webster’s)

When you combine the two they morph into one. Radical Islamists are bent on creating such states. Think Taliban, Iran and the Mullahs of Qom, Somalia, Pakistan and the teachings from the madrases, The Egyptian Brotherhood movement, Wahabbists, the Islamic radicals of Malaysia, etc.

A literal reading of the Koran leads to no other conclusion than a world under the rule of the Islamic theology. Such a world would not need a United Nations, just a ruling Mullah.

The rest of the world does not need to destroy them for their religious beliefs. The rest of the world needs to destroy them because of what they do….the actions they take….as a result of their religious beliefs. (ellipses in original)

And just how do we sit down and “mediate” with someone’s fundamental, fervent religious beliefs? This is where atheists really, really, really don’t get it.

Lest we start believing that people are finally starting to understand the truth, it looks as though the reactions in the Muslim community in the UK are mixed. Sky News reported today with some quotes.

Khalid Mahmood is an MP in Birmingham where several arrests have been made.

He said: "There has to be greater involvement by the community itself. This is not something the Government can do."

He told Sky News there needs to be better communication between Muslim elders and young people.

That'll fix a lot. Aren't the violence-spewing imams "Muslim elders"? And haven't they been doing enough "communication"?

Imtiaz Qadir, a spokesman for the Waltham Forest Islamic Association in Walthamstow, said he expects it to provoke "an uproar" in the community.

He said: "I know five of the men very well and they are really respectable young Muslim men.

"I am totally shocked. I don't believe they've done anything to warrant this."

Of course. And Ted Bundy's neighbors were shocked, too.

However, Fahad Ansari, of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said that many Muslims would be sceptical of the police arrests after the Forest Gate fiasco.

"I think you will get cynicism from the community," he said. "Over the last few years we have seen many high-profile raids like this plastered over the press to terrify the public.

"It has been hit and miss on too many occasions. It is causing a lot of mass hysteria."

It's so gratifying to see that Britain has their own version of CAIR, who blame the government and the media in order to avoid admitting that any Muslims could possibly do wrong.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose! (Pardon my French.)

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